Ask Kirsty – How Come Your SEO’s Shit and You’re Still Getting Loads of Traffic?!?

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Hahahaha – OK the title is a bit strong here but I was a bit pushed for space in terms of making it nice and succinct.  Also, that’s the turn of phrase I couldn’t get out of my head when I read the question so in true Kirsty “I’ve thought it so I absolutely have to say it now” style – I decided to let it out ;)

A better way to put the question I asked would be “Ask Kirsty – Why Does Your Site Not Comform to the “Rules” of SEO and Yet Is Still Somehow Generating Heaps Plenty Traffic?”, but it wasn’t as catchy see?

Over to you Scott…

Hi Kirsty,

I just read your great post on getting to 50,000 visits…congrats!

The essence of your post intrigued me enough to do some research.

Though I have been around web page building for a decade, I am relavitely newto Internet/Affiliate Marketing, and when you mentioned about how to focus on the next niche, it started me thinking.

If many noobies are like myself, we learn SEO/SEM along the way, so by the time its time for the next niche project, there are changes to be made because of what has been learned (the good and the bad). It is funny that we tend to maybe
not do what made the previous site successful, though it may just be an attempt to do SEO/SEM better, not knowing the consequences.

Take for instance lingeriebrands.co.uk…per the SEO ‘experts’ point of view, your home page is not properly configured- you have 302 META keywords (the ‘experts’ say you should be limited to 25 max), no META description, only 1 external link, no H1 titles, limited content per keyword throughout the site, and yet your site does extremely well.

I’m kind of analytical, which can be a negative at times…of your site’s 302 KWs, 202 rank in the top 100, 59 are on the first page of Google UK, and 9 are in first position, and your site has a PR2 ranking.

So what is it then that has made the site successful?

You have 658 backlinks, and looks like you have used a variety of tactics, including backlinking from many of your other sites, and other created blog sites.

May I inquire if you presently use or had subscriped to a backlinking service?

Another plus here is probably the 2,100+ pages of content and age of your site.

So if this was my niche site, I would be confused, based on SEO/SEM guidance I have read, etc.

I am curious how you would focus on your next project, knowing the above. Maybe the secret formula, however, is…

Proper niche research
Take ACTION!
Add content, continuously
Be PATIENT

Hahahaha – great question Scott!

I used to be a full time SEO consultant and spent lots of time doing titles, meta keywords, and descriptions with mathematical precision. Keyword densities were calculated as were things like volume of link text, headers etc etc etc. To my annoyance lots of people who were ignoring these “rules” seemed to be doing really well.

In the end I concluded that I could keep up my knowledge of all the exact intricacies of SEO or I could adopt a new and more basic set of rules that would allow me to “just get on with it” in terms of providing quality content and concentrating upon the broader spectrum of things an affiliate has to be good at to run a successful business.

* Add good quality content, and lots of it.
* Make it natural but still write it with half an eye on using lots of different descriptive terms around the products I’m writing about and remembering the content is supposed to be on a certain theme.
* Make sure I don’t overstuff keywords (I’ve done this by accident at times when concentrating too hard on page design and things like Adwords QS).
* Create good page structures both for SEO and the user. By focusing on the user I can maximise the amount of traffic I get through to merchant (around 80% for that site).
* As for all the meta stuff… I’ve not found much benefit to spending time on it any more. Google largely ignores it and I’ve found if I have good, compelling prose on my pages the description displayed by Google is A-OK anyhow.

As for why my site is successful, I think it is simply because I’ve put a lot of effort into good page structure, decent navigation (it could be better on that site TBH) and targeting lots of relevant traffic. I think you can have all the analysis and precise SEO in the world, but there is never a substitute for good content.

Do I use a backlinking service? Yes, I use Content Now (Note to self: I must start invoicing them for the links I give them on this blog). I’ve also started to get a fair few good quality “spontaneous links” from sites (which again goes back to decent content). I think your analysis of the secret formula is dead on. Particularly the “be patient” bit. It’s taken the site 2 years to get to the stage its currently at and its frequently gone through long periods of non growth regardless of the content I’ve been adding. Lots of people get discouraged when that happens but perseverance pays off and you tend to see a reward for your content efforts in the end.

Hope this helps ;)

P.S.  I’d like to thank Scott for all the facts and figures in that question.  I think it was one of the most thoroughly researched questions I have ever gotten since the blog started.

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12 Responses to “Ask Kirsty – How Come Your SEO’s Shit and You’re Still Getting Loads of Traffic?!?”

  1. Dan Harrison Says:

    Great question Scott. Kirsty has clearly found a formula that works for her. I find I get traffic, but I struggle to convert…. until now (I’ve just started having some success with targeting traffic better).

    Dan

  2. Mark Says:

    Hey Kirsty,
    Just thought you’d want to know that the ‘Content Now’link goes somewhere dodgy, certainly not contentnow.co.uk…

  3. Marchamont Says:

    I don’t think contentnow would pay you for that link :)

    I think you’re right about keyword density and so on – people pay far too much attention to it.

  4. Stephane Says:

    Hey Kirtsy,

    Very good article. Aside ContentNow (which had the wrong link by the way), which other link building service do you recommend?

    Thank you and keep up the great work!

    Stephane

  5. Steven Bradshaw Says:

    You’ve accidentally linked contentnow.com instead of .co.uk so don’t invoice them for that just yet!

    What’s the best backlink tool to use to check links to sites? I have used google, yahoo and a couple of others to check your site and they all come up with different amounts and no where near 658.

  6. Kirsty Says:

    Ha ha ha, all fixed now everyone. My head is in renovation world this week. But goodness me if as many people replied to every post as they do when I make a mistake I’d be writing on here more often, LOL.

    @Marchamont – I just try to keep it all looking natural and not repeat my key terms too often. It seems to work.

    @Stephanie – I only use Content Now and the rest of my sites I build the links for myself.

    @Steven – I must confess I don’t know where the 658 figure came from. I’d usually use Yahoo as it seems to give the most comprehensive indication of links.

  7. Musketeer Says:

    Great question, Scott! Top answer too, Kirsty. I think it’s quite important that people who want to do SEO on their sites actually stop thinking about it too hard.

    From my experience there are some high level factors to consider – the ones Kirsty mentions in this post – but beyond that I think people should not over analyse it. Unfortunately with so mny SEO experts out there touting things like ‘Secrets of SEO Success’ it can seem quite daunting to noobs.

    Just get your head down, think about your end user and visualise every page on your site as its own topic – then get on with it!

    @Steven Bradshaw – Majestic SEO picks up the backlinks at the approx the quoted amount: http://www.majesticseo.com/search.php?q=www.lingeriebrands.co.uk/

  8. Kieron Says:

    Great post Kirsty and thanks for the mention, really appreciate it :)

  9. Bob Says:

    I think another way of looking at apparently ‘unexpected’ success from not ‘perfect’ SEO is to put the question the other way around from a users point of view (which is what Google always bangs on about) – ie:

    Would it be right if getting the metas, keyword density, page sculpting, title variety and all that SEO stuff spot on, had a big impact on a site’s success ? No, obviously not from most users point of view they don’t give a —- about those aspects.

    However, visitor numbers, backlinks from relevant sites in variety is a reflection of usefulness to the public and that comes from the old fashioned stuff: a good useful site and good content and as Kirsty so rightly says, time.

    Unless a site is spectacularly trend-setting or innovative, why should it succeed in a short time period ?

  10. Mark Says:

    Cheers for this Kirsty I love reading your blogs and have considered using Mark for some linking too (invoice me for mine soon).

    He did a miss a few things that Kirsty did right, so although she may have missed a few of the basic On Page elements she has loads of content and writing that as oppose to microscopically analysing keyword density has clearly done loads for the site!

    http://www.lingeriebrands.co.uk/sitemap/
    http://www.lingeriebrands.co.uk/sitemap.xml
    http://www.lingeriebrands.co.uk/robots.txt

    By the way how did you get all this did you run a report on WebCEO? Good work if you did :-)

  11. Jill Says:

    Interesting post!

    I wondered if you used Content Now for backlinks but wasn’t sure. I received an email (supposedly from you) offering content for a link for your lingeriebrands site on one of my sites all about a dog breed club. I replied, saying not really as I didn’t consider that site suitable for lingerie , but that I had other more suitable sites I would be pleased to swap links with you or provide a link for content.

    Never heard back :(

  12. Kirsty Says:

    Hey Jill, I don’t think their targeting is perfect all the time! Unusual that the didn’t get back but hey that’s no reason why we can’t sort something out between us. Drop me a line at myname @ thisblogname.co.uk and we can chat!

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